WITB: Wishon 5, 6 560 MC 7-PW MMC MB Epic Flash SZ 9° Kuro Kage DC txEpic Flash SZ 15° Kai'li xEpic Flash 3H 19° Evenflow Black 6.5 I dunno what Arnie's pictured grip is called, but it is not called a Reverse Double Overlap. They are finite movers, and they allow very fine motor patterns to be performed (such as writing fluidly in fine print using cursive). I want to get the part of the palm of both hands where the fingers meet the palm on the grip. [/quote] Mills Professional Series Klassic/Odyssey O Works Tank #7, [quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1432762082' post='11638370'] He changed me to the Vardon, overlapping grip and made references to the fact that the vast majority of tour pros were using this grip so it must be the best. Reverse overlap grip - A popular grip with the left index finger placed off the club and placed down the outside of your fingers on your right hand. i just started fiddling with this a couple of days ago but haven't gotten to the course with it yet. Mizuno MP-18 MMC 6-P, w/UST Recoil 95 F4Callaway 52* MD5 JAWS S Grind Why is this true? Ten finger grip does have that lack of hand unity drawback with conventional grip, ie around a 20-30 degree diagonal angle of handle to left hand. [b] "Golfers should be using a reverse overlap grip for the full swing. Yup, especially if you're content slapping the ball and not hitting down on it and compressing it. 2021 Callaway Epic Speed Max - Leaked Photo, 2021 Srixon ZX5, ZX7 (1020 Endo Forged) & ZX U Irons- New Pics Added Pg 3 w/ Comparisons, SOLD...Ventus Blue Velocore 6s with TM Tip. The vast muscles on the thumb do not enhance the pressure of the holding fingers but they do significantly enhance the pressure that can be exerted by the index finger, and as you have mention that is not a desirable function. There were days when this grip felt terrific but these were few and far between and for me it was back to the drawing board. The most common putting grip taught by golf instructors and used on the PGA Tour is the reverse overlap grip. What I should have said was, "Golfers should adopt a grip where they are guiding the club with their dominant hand." Hope that helps and good luck! This likely helps Johnson release the putter at impact and into the follow-through, preventing pushed putts and creating a true roll. You said you struggled to hit draws before, right? The three finger grip will result in more grip strength than the five finger grip. Now repeat the test using just the three fingers I've mentioned. Usually that is resolved if one uses non-tapered grips, which I recommend to everyone no matter which grip you use, and grips that are the right size diameter for your hand size. No offense, but the picture and your description as to what that picture means are very far off from being correct. [quote name='Drudersh' timestamp='1432742222' post='11635872'] [/quote] So, I changed to the interlock grip and stuck with it for over 10 years. Raw Callaway 53*, Raw Mizuno T20 58* [quote name='baloo' timestamp='1432764178' post='11638574'] Thanks for the information and pictures. PM Grind 64* The only slight oddity in his reverse-overlap grip is a right hand that’s a little stronger than his neutral left. All shafts are S2S Stepless Steel Wishon. Before you make your grip, you need to decide which style of grip you will be using to hold the club. Have a strong individual grab something and squeeze as hard as possible using all five fingers. i tinkered with it in order to get the club more in the palm of my left hand, and this just feels comfortable. It's anatomically true, and easy to test. You are currently viewing Golf Tuition Online as a guest which gives you limited access to our many website features. Too tight a grip overall pressure contributes to that blister issue. However its the pinkie that gives the other holding fingers increased strength. Hmmmm. What makes the ten finger part work well in terms of hand unity (the big minus for a ten finger grip using conventional grip/handle positioning) is the long left thumb, it creates space so that your hands stay close together in the vertical dimension. Good point. Most of all.. enjoy your time on our site. The most comfortable grip for the amateur is the reverse overlap. Swing smoothly and don't force it. As opposed to creating lag by pulling the club with your left hand (for a righty). Re: Reverse overlap grip In November 1991 Steve Jones suffered ligament and joint damage to his left ring finger in a dirtbike accident, and he missed almost three years of play as a professional. One such form is the 'reverse putting grip', which is also known as putting 'cross-handed'. Yup, especially if you're content slapping the ball and not hitting down on it and compressing it. Player Profile. [quote name='TheJollyGolfer' timestamp='1432727432' post='11634358'] Tiger Woods explains that with his reverse overlap grip, he has the left forefinger laid across the fingers of the right hand, which helps him with a sense of unity. What do PGA Tour Champions say about the Oversize Grips? It's not the muscular structure of the hand that has any relevance to the grip, but what those muscles/tendons connect to. Z765 4-G Modus3 125xSM6 56°/60° Super Peening BlueSpider X Chalk The 10 finger grip is a no go for me. You better tell Rory quick before he throws his career away. I started playing about 50 years ago and as a kid I used the 10 finger grip. There a big difference between the 10 finger and the other two you've mentioned. I will have to take some pics on the range tomorrow as I can't locate the ones I have already prepared. Of course the post title should read, Steps. You've been a member here for three years, you should've know better than to start a thread telling WRX'ers what they should be doing. The tendons that control the joints of the hand connect to different muscles further up the arm. In principle, we're on the same page. Since this change, and a few tweaks along the way, I never, never feel uncomfortable with this grip. "[/b] Why is this advice limited to right-handed golfers? The type of grip you should use depends in large part on your physical stature and strength as well as what feels comfortable. Bumping this thread up. There are certainly some similarities at a quick glance, but closer inspection reveals that it is not, in fact, an apple, and no amount of debate will change that. For me interlock, overlap,10 finger is completely irrelevant. So that's why I interlock. That slippage often caused the face angle to change, usually to open. The reverse overlap gives him that extra feel and control in his right palm." You said you struggled to hit draws before, right? Very few topics in the instruction forum really get me thinking...well done, Jolly. The ten fingers allow you to have the highest amount of feedback from club to brain/mind, and the most physical control/stability without holding on too tight in terms of overall grip pressure, which is vitally important if using a passive wrist c0ck release method. Reverse overlap has a slight edge in making it a little bit harder to flip the wrists during Release, which is probably why it has been used in putting and chipping. [/quote]. Keep your left hand loose and you'll probably get a better release. You better tell Rory quick before he throws his career away. [quote name='Fade' timestamp='1432727019' post='11634328'] Grip strength, consistency of grip pressure and the relationship between the strength of each hand and how it relates to wrist alignment are all significantly more important IMO. IMO Vardon had the right idea when he overlapped, thus joining the hands and neutralizing the pressure of the thumbs , but I believe he put the wrong finger on top-. Wishon 929 HS 14.5*, 19* 0.5 Open Saw this just now on Reddit. Adopt the reverse overlap and I will supply the fine points in due course. For a right hander , it's a ten finger grip with your index finger on your left hand on top of all your fingers on your right hand. Many pro golfers have the pinky buried a little more. Why is this advice limited to right-handed golfers? Very few topics in the instruction forum really get me thinking...well done, Jolly. You've been a member here for three years, you should've know better than to start a thread telling WRX'ers what they should be doing. [/quote] The Vardon grip is horribly uncomfortable. It prevents either hand becoming too dominant during the stroke, yet the feeling is that the hands are not locked together. I play overlap and already struggle with a left miss, so what benefits would I see in switching? i just started fiddling with this a couple of days ago but haven't gotten to the course with it yet. The key to successfully holding a putter is to try out various techniques and find a grip that is comfortable, feels natural, and consistently enables you to get the ball in the hole. [quote name='TheJollyGolfer' timestamp='1432727432' post='11634358'] "[/b] So because it works for you, everyone else should automatically do the same? I started playing about 50 years ago and as a kid I used the 10 finger grip. golftuitiononline.com | the global golf forum, Join our global golf community for FREE Now HERE. Post the images and make your case some more. Will we ever get another driver that feels and sounds as good as the original Ping Rapture? No matter what you call it, using a reverse putting grip involves placing your left hand lower on the grip than your right hand (again, for a right handed golfer). Re: Reverse Overlap Grip. I should have been clearer on this. Wishon 919 THI 11* 0.5* Open Can anyone confirm this please? tgoodspe1991 posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, December 26, 2020, chouls19 posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, December 5, 2020, johngalt312 posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 3, 2020, BAlberstadt posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, November 16, 2020, Allergic2Birdies posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, December 17, 2020, By How to Take the Reverse Overlap Putting Grip. In using your dominant hand for club head and club face control, you are going to achieve more consistency in thid area. [/quote] The reverse overlap is a variation of the putting grip. Started December 17, 2020. i've used the normal overlap for years to a 7 handicap, but i'm always looking for more consistency. You can certainly use reverse overlap with driver, likely to get a few more yards at least and for sure easier to draw the ball. Anyone know anything about this? Reverse Overlap for the last twenty five years May 26 2015, 6:10 PM I have been using the reverse overlap grip for over twenty five years and could not go back to any of the grips I had before. His right index is not fully interlocked and at some angles it does look like his left index is sitting on top of his right "pinkie". Back in the day, and it was not all that long ago, we featured the “Vardon Grip,” the “baseball grip,” the slip knot grip, the overlap grip, the under lap grip, and the reverse overlap grip, just to confuse all the golf experts out and about. That's when I adopted the reverse overlap and immediately began improving. Perhaps WRX'ers should pay more attention to logic. As opposed to creating lag by pulling the club with your left hand (for a righty). [/quote] Your life must be really easy if you think swapping the overlapping finger is [b]too much effort...[/b], [quote name='stryper' timestamp='1432762651' post='11638444'] Hello Patrick. You've been a member here for three years, you should've know better than to start a thread telling WRX'ers what they should be doing. I changed pros at this stage, and discussed the possibility of finding a grip that felt consistently comfortable. [/quote] I have medium-large hands, but with short finger length and large palm. Reverse pivot - An incorrect move on the downswing when the weight is transferred to the back foot instead of the front foot. By Your thumb and pointer finger exist for dexterity. As opposed to creating lag by pulling the club with your left hand (for a righty). I use the reverse overlap grip for putting and it has helped a lot. He was using a ten finger baseball grip at the time, literally like holding a baseball bat with both thumbs wrapped around the handle, and most golfers at the time used the same grip. If you play left handed, simply reverse the directions. i've used the normal overlap for years to a 7 handicap, but i'm always looking for more consistency. [quote name='Drudersh' timestamp='1432742222' post='11635872'] I will also provide detailed images of this grip. Cleveland Rtx4 (Raw) 48, 54, 60/Dynamic Gold TI s400. Started December 31, 2020, By 2-10 - 1954 Spalding Synchro Dyned [quote name='Fade' timestamp='1432727019' post='11634328'] Some folks here in the Northwest call that the "Waldron grip" since until two years ago almost all of my students were using it. No glove and $40 Dunlop shoes from Sport Express. Putter - Bullseye Good point. Hell the last 2 weeks i've been play with the left thumb round the shaft Sarazen style due to a left thumb sprain i've done this with an interlock, overlap and 10 finger as well. [quote name='crater_divots' timestamp='1432758226' post='11637916'] Reverse double overlap grip exists, and there is no vagueness as to what it means/is. iBlade replacement? Most people use this grip for putting with a standard length putter. What I should have said was, "Golfers should adopt a grip where they are guiding the club with their dominant hand.". Viewing the structure of the finger muscles, its quite apparent that the pinky has considerably more muscle volume than the other holding fingers and should be in a more dominant position when holding the handle. I would guess that's what Luke's doing. Using the vardon or overlap grip, strength and pressure is biased to more left hand control. I'm with you, thanks for the clarification. It’s called reverse overlap because the left index finger rests on top of the right pinkie finger (for right-handed golfers) instead of a normal overlap grip where the right pinkie finger rests on top of the left index finger. Many male golfers hands are too big for standard men's grip size, and the taper in the right hand just makes that problem worse. I have been using the reverse overlap grip for over twenty five years and could not go back to any of the grips I had before. Titleist 915Fd, w/Aldila Rogue Black 80-2.8-S Also thinking of transitioning into a reverse overlap putting grip for shots inside 80 yards. Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere already. Most of my students say it feels really good right away, or within a few swings. The tendons that control the joints of the hand connect to different muscles further up the arm. As a plus handicapper I have rarely been accused of slapping the ball. [quote name='baloo' timestamp='1432764178' post='11638574'] Okay everyone, we all know this was gonna happen eventually. A great way to increase your sense of clubface control is to practice with a split grip. I've used this grip with varying results. By popping the right pinky on the handle this changes significantly. From 150 yards in I expect to be on the green or darn close all the time. That's the three fingers you are also referring to. Steve Jones won the US Open with a reverse grip and I agree with the post that it is a good grip for chipping. i tinkered with it in order to get the club more in the palm of my left hand, and this just feels comfortable. [/quote] The idea is to focus on keeping the angle formed between the back of the lead hand, wrist, and forearm from the takeaway to the follow-through, as the head, torso, and legs are stabilized. Why is this advice limited to right-handed golfers? 18* KZG U Iron, w/UST Proforce V2 100-S Need a new grip for irons though. I of course was using the conventional reverse overlap putting grip and one day while practicing after having just hit another pinkie slippage fade, thought to myself "why not try the reverse overlap". "[/b] He took a look at my set up and insisted on me changing my grip as, in his words, I was never going to become a better golfer with the 10 finger grip. The pinky, ring, and middle finder all unify to create grip strength. Tonight, whilst watching the PGA, I couldn't help noticing that Luke Donald's grip looked as though he is using the ROG. I play overlap and already struggle with a left miss, so what benefits would I see in switching? One potential drawback of reverse overlap for some folks is forming a blister at right pinkie where left index finger contacts it. Stockton won a pair of PGA Championships (1970 and ’76) and enjoyed a stellar Champions Tour career on the strength of his dead-eye putting. Apply your left hand to the putter grip and then, just beneath, rest your right hand around the putter grip. Callaway 58* PM Grind 19T.P. [/quote] You need to have a … At the age of 13, with an 8 handicap, I decided to take the game more seriously and visited our club professional. YT Channel - [url="https://www.youtube.com/PlayVintageGolf"]https://www.youtube....PlayVintageGolf[/url]. Yup, especially if you're content slapping the ball and not hitting down on it and compressing it. For years I struggled with my right pinkie slipping off of my left index finger knuckle with my Vardon overlap grip. If you are a mid to high handicap who hits it short and slices, it is just crazy for you continue with interlock grip as there is a very high chance that you are really squeezing those two digits way too tightly. I use the reverse overlap grip for putting and it has helped a lot. Need a new grip for irons though. Z Star XV. Why is this advice limited to right-handed golfers? Hmmmm. The double overlap grip has gotten attention recently mostly because it's used by PGA Tour player Jim Furyk, who has more than $45 million in career earnings. I started using the reverse overlap grip on chip and pitch shots (L 2nd finger over the R 5th finger) and noticed an improvement in feel, control, etc. Reverse Overlap putting grip More @ http://markhainesgolf.wordpress.com/ http://www.markhainesgolf.co.uk/ My ball striking improved immediately but somehow my hands weren't working together like they seemed to do with the other two grips. [quote name='Fairways_and_Greens' timestamp='1432736994' post='11635284'] [b] "Golfers should be using a reverse overlap grip for the full swing. The holding fingers in golf, in the dominant hand, are the two middle fingers when using overlap and interlock, and using the 10 finger or reverse overlap, the pinkie is much more involved. Mizuno MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi 4-5, w/UST Recoil 95 F4 For me, this grip is wonderful. In this grip, all the fingers of the right hand -- for a right-handed player -- grip the club. BTW, when I using the vardon or interlock grip, efficient hold/grip is being compromised. You are correct about Luke Donald. The more common overlap grip, also known as the Vardon grip, overlaps the pinky finger of the right hand over the index finger of the left hand. The interlock grip can look like a reverse overlap. All times are GMT. Instant improvement and easy to hit a draw, Also - much more stable feeling of the handle in my hands as you have discovered. For most of my life, an interlock grip. [/quote] [quote name='Fade' timestamp='1432727019' post='11634328'] [/quote] Wishon 775HS 22*, 25* It fixed his hook, but what do most average golfers suffer from, a hook or a slice? Why would you want to hold the club in palm of your left hand? This is a very comfortable putting grip and one that does not take long to learn and establish. A reverse overlap grip is probably the same grip that you putt with! Ball - Pro Plus I have also discovered along the way why I did have problems with the other grips and will be discussing this later in this post. If an individual grabs something and squeezes as hard as possible using all five fingers, and then repeats the test using just the three fingers I've mentioned, the three finger grip will result in more grip strength than the five finger grip. The overall result is the reduction of undue wrist action and an increase in putting accuracy. Steve Jones won the US Open with the reverse overlap, Balaine McCallister has used it since he was a kid and I think Skip Kendall used it for a few years, and there have been a few other tour players whose names escape me at the moment. [/quote] I never felt completely comfortable with it but persevered because I believed the club pro must be right. 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